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Post by Taro Yamada on Dec 3, 2015 16:20:24 GMT -5
Some of us have decided that it would be best if, when a new posting order is up, to do so in order of our time zones. This is agreed upon to be the fastest way we can all go through our posts. My timezone is Pacific Standard Time.I shall keep a running tab of confirmed Timezones and convert them to UTC. Taro Yamada............UTC-8 Willow Fey...............UTC-6 Iocus Hilares............UTC-6 Mariko Nakazawa...... Saoirse Moran.......... Joaquin Johnson........UTC-3 Alexia Takana........... Ignia Brand............... Adrianna Kravenski..... Shiro Suzuki.............. Daisuke Iwasaki......... Alexander Root...........UTC-6 Tamashi Kasai............ Mamouro Shabots....... Nana Okabe...............UTC-8 Koji Enomoto.............. Mugen........................UTC-8
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Post by Adrianna Kravenski on Dec 4, 2015 0:53:36 GMT -5
You do realize that our current system of 24 hours means there's essentially a post a day, sometimes more. What's the big difference between our current one, and this one you're suggesting?
Your system's core idea is that the first few that get online will have the chance to post, followed by those that come afterwards. Our current 24 hour system is basically the same thing. Think about it, the initial posting order is determined by a first-come-first-serve basis. If one were to examine that closer, it would clearly mean that the people who get up earlier due to timezones have the chance to post first. There's a similarity here between the two systems, but also the added benefit of flexibility and freedom. Why put restrictions on something as simple as the order in which we post?
And the following sentence "This is agreed upon to be the fastest way we can go through our posts," has something to be commented upon too. There were.. what, around three people that agreed with your timezone idea back when this post was written? That sentence above made it seem like there's a vast majority behind this idea, which clearly isn't the case at all. Not to mention the words 'some of us' that were used prior to that sentence.
Seeing as how we're on the topic of posting orders, I would like to address a few other points of concern. There were a number of ideas floating around, such as making it 12 hours and etc. Personally, I believe that 12 hours is too short of a time, and places too much pressure on each individual poster. With life working in the chaotic way we've all come to understand, not everybody has the luxury of constantly checking in every 12 hours. What about those affected by timezones and are sleeping? Would they have to be forced to wake up at 3am to write up a post? Or how about those that are stuck in school, class or simply have jobs that or duties that they must attend to?
Simply put, our current system of 24 hours is fairer to everybody. It has many added benefits, but arguably the most important one is that it's proven to work, and achieves the same goal as the idea you're putting forth. There's no guarantee that your system will quicken things when the core concept behind it is similar to the system already put in place. The 24 hours system is also much more relaxed and looser, and in the end isn't that why we're all here? To engage in a pleasant hobby to unwind? Why place unneeded shackles to make things excessively high-strung? Why make it less fair for all? It's simply not just by any stretch of the imagination, not just at all.
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Post by Taro Yamada on Dec 4, 2015 5:31:07 GMT -5
Firstly, I won't lie. This was pretty much suggested by someone (I can't remember who, though it wasn't me. If I had to take a stab at it, I would assume Joaquin.) And four or five tops agreed on it, including myself. Though it was not even a third of us, I thought it would at least warrant a forum post to see how things played out. My line of thinking was everyone else agrees on it that was on, it's a little hard to swallow the other 12 of you would not be in favor. All of this is essentially just taking precautions. Nothing more, nothing less. We are just seeing what works and what doesn't.
Secondly, all of us on the Skype chat unanimously agreed to at least 24 hours. That's not changing.
Thirdly, the only difference is those, like Mugen's case to take an extreme point, not posting for whatever reason. In retrospect, it might not sound like much, but I think the general idea is that, if everyone posted within a few hours, then all 18, Chiv included, can post within a twenty-four hour span of time. It's not indistinguishable from our current system of using whoever posted first and just going by that order. All this does is eliminating outliars. For example, Taro, Mugen and Nana, in whatever order they chose, will go first. Iocus, Willow and Alexander, again, in whatever order they choose, goes next. Finally goes Joaquin. But as you can see, Joaquin is currently between two UTC-6's. I myself am going first when Nana and Mugen are at the bottom of the posting order.
Fourthly, if this system is too close to the other system in terms of who goes when, then it's not even worth trying to establish. I won't be nit-picky about something that isn't really a big deal. If it's something like, for whatever reason, someone in USA goes, then someone in China, then someone in Canada, and finally someone in Russia goes, then we can vote on it with all 17 students and the two mods can take it from there to make the final judgement call. It is their game afterall.
Finally, and most importantly, I have nothing at all against this current system. It works perfectly. We just brainstormed together to see if there was a better one. Based on the timezones so far, it seems like someone like you, who lives in Malaysia, if I'm not mistaken, would be the one who benefits the most out of this system if this system has statistically significant results. I am a statistics major. I will see if the numbers are statistically significant. If not, I won't bother. If others, for whatever their reasoning might be, demand this system, then I won't oppose either. Honestly, I am fine with both if there is no big difference. It's like blue or aqua in this scenario. I'm truly fine with either one and I won't really have strong feelings either way. But, if this system compared to the other system is more like black or white, then I'll be a bit more stubborn on the new system. But if I'm vastly outnumbered, then I won't push the issue further.
TL;DR: I used a six syllable word and confessed my feelings for Lady New System, while boasting about my Stats major like a douche. But will Lady New System be dramatically different from Mademoiselle Current System? Stay tuned on Monoworld Posting Order!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Willow Fey on Dec 4, 2015 9:13:10 GMT -5
Don't want to get too much in the middle of this, but just sayin' regardless of what we do, we will need time zones and a window of scheduling from people anyway if we are going to do live skype trials.
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Post by Alexander Root on Dec 4, 2015 23:34:05 GMT -5
While I see points on both sides, I would like to put my two cents in, though it’s probably worth less than that.
A time zone list is probably needed, I agree, especially with Willow’s point. However, I also agree with Soulless that the current system is probably the best way to go. It establishes the times when we are one, instead of just set times. To illustrate this point, I’ll use myself as a new schedule for me will soon be presented to me for how my day goes.
What Taro is suggesting, and correct me if I’m wrong, I am wrong a lot of the time, is that with a posting order with time zones, those who are one in their time zone would all be next to each other. However, with my new schedule, I will be on either in the mornings or at night, as I will be at a job the rest of the time (save a couple days off). For major threads, not the skype ones, such a posting order would not work for that. You assume that we would all be on at the same time. However, let’s take Soul, for example, is on pretty much the whole day, usually mornings, though not too late into the night (in my time zone at least). However, if we go by time zones, Soul will probably be on when I am not on, even if it’s my turn, because you assume I’ll be on from about 6-9 or so my time. But that isn’t the case. I could be on the same time as Soul, despite the major time zone difference.
With such fickle schedules, the posting order would have to be recalculate each time a main thread begins, and tell our schedules every time, but the current system is very flexible in that when we post to the main thread, we basically show that yeah, I’ll probably be on around this time, regardless of time zone. Too much effort is being placed into establishing a posting order, when the current system is not broken.
I was present during the discussions, and frankly, I couldn’t really get a word in edgewise, because I would point something out and either it would be ignored or hand waved away like it didn’t matter, so I slunk into the shadows. I know that some are worried about the speed at which the prologue is progressing, but it’s not taking that long in the grand scheme of things. The problem isn’t when people are on that is slowing it down, it’s the fact a lot of people, myself included, take time to write their responses. Some of us are slower than others at making posts. It’s not the fact they aren’t on. It’s the speed at which things are written. And really, that’s the drawback of forum based RP especially when only one thread is occurring, but just be patient. When FTEs roll around, you’ll be busy. Three threads is actually quite a bit, even with the slower posters (literally the only reason I was so fast with my reply was I was waiting, stalking it ready to pounce with my post, which took a couple days to craft).
For what it’s worth, that’s my take on the situation as a whole.
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Post by Mariko Nakazawa on Dec 5, 2015 11:54:46 GMT -5
I said so in the skype chat, and I'll politely reiterate it here: complaints about the posting speed is blown out of proportion just a tad. While posts may not always come lighting fast, we've yet to have a 24 hour skip, which means there is at least a post a day. I've been doing forum rps for a long ass time, so I've I've been on many sites that didn't even have that
A list of time zones may be necessary, especially when it comes to trial time. But personally, I prefer the 24 hour posting rule. Some people work god I wish I was one of them, some people go to school, some people just have personal stuff going on and can't get on to most as fast as some would like. Things happen.
There are things you do outside that one thread while you wait. If you're looking for time to kill, pardon the expression, if nothing else you can always go do a pre-despair thread, or something to that effect. I know I started to write one for Mari, before I got pulled away by circumstances
TLDR version: I think the current version of the posting rules is fine. everyone's just gotta chill out a bit
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Post by Taro Yamada on Mar 4, 2016 19:12:48 GMT -5
Well this thread is pretty useless now that we have all gone down to 10.
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